How did you approach your portrayal of Cindy? CINDY: Sunday. In her case, becoming authentic on the job took 10-plus years. CINDY (cont. He was afraid of running into friends, relatives or acquaintances of people who knew his many victims. FLOTHE: Would you recognize this metal seat if you saw it again, do you think? Brown shoes. Over the last 30 years, Cindy has facilitated more than 100 successful workshops/work sessions, including a dozen all-day . Kidnapped: Cindy Paulson, Part II July 18, 2017 Admin Leave a comment This is Installment Two of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. How do you feel about the final film now that youve seen it? FLOTHE: The same person. If it was something technical, of course, it would take a couple more takes, but for the most part, hes the kind of director that filled me in, let me know the mood that he wanted to convey and where he wanted it to land. CINDY: Yeah, it had a really long barrel. After hed taken a nap, Cindys kidnapper informed her that they were going on a little trip on his plane, but that she shouldnt be alarmed as hed already taken seven other women out to this location. If youre very sensitive to that sort of thing (I know that much of my audience is ) then you may wish to skip this one. As of 5:30 Saturday afternoon theres a new article available. FLOTHE: So he takes you to the house. "You could hear him screaming at his lawyers," Rothschild said. Hudgens: I think that theyre doing one. (inaudible) The horns that were up there, the big ol antler horns, theyre called. I looked in the back, OK, there was like a you know how seats in front have covers theyre metal? He was convicted of just four of the murders in a deal that spared him having to go to trial 17 times. This is Installment Two of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. Hansen was officially charged with the abduction and rape of Cindy Paulson and the murders of Joanna Messina, Sherry Morrow, Paula Goulding, and the unidentified body known as "Eklutna Annie." On February 28, 1984, Robert Hansen was sentenced to 461 years plus life in prison with no parole. FLOTHE: Can you describe it a little bit more to me? FLOTHE: Describe this man to me. When his truck became stuck in the mud, the woman tried to run. And then we hear about the same meet up from Cindy Paulsons perspective, documented in her trooper interview with Sgt. I thought it was an amazing take on pop culture and where we are today and how the generation is so media-driven and see and be seen. It was just a really interesting take on college students. I mean, bills, or did he just give you the change? Glenn had been involved in the investigation of three murdered women; these victims had obviously been connected, they had all been discovered at least partially nude, theyd been shot with the same type of firearm, and buried in a shallow grave. He is just so punctual, and he always knows his lines, and hes there to get the job done. CINDY: Because when I drove past the house there was a sign that said Dead End. FLOTHE: OK. Being authentic creates the space for diversity of thought and means drawing on experiences that fall outside the box. This is Installment Four of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. FLOTHE: And he contacts you at where? He remains active in the markets. Im not correct on the times, OK? Now, from reading your report apparently you had a pretty good description of the house that you gave the police. FLOTHE: OK. Kyle Hopkins is special projects editor of the Anchorage Daily News. I wish we could say for sure that this was Roberts final victim, but its thought that there were probably more. I mean, man, what he did to me, he had to kill me. Over by that house on Fourth, with the pickup truck camper. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. CINDY: Yep. He liked to take these women home with him, and once a victim had entered this killers lair she was pretty much doomed; he would take her down to the basement, often to a secret soundproof room where he already had chains rigged up. They told Hansen they had seized his map marked with 17 locations, spots that they believed indicated the locations of bodies. Wanted to put some distance between them, in time and space, just in case somebody had seen them together. Darla had truly believed that if she stuck it out, she could eventually talk Robert into going to church with her more often she thought that she could save the soul of the man shed vowed before God to love, and her marriage would be fixed as well. Heres a link: https://www.patreon.com/Morbidnmacabre. Maybe they were different frames. And I said, Fine, no problem.. Why not be the first to send us your thoughts, The Butcher Baker passed away of natural causes in August of 2014, he lived to be 75 years old. Its a over shirt. FLOTHE: Were the handcuffs tight? And he said well he was gonna start getting his moneys worth. (Cindy Paulson), Cindy Paulson Other times, he would let the women go free in the wilderness and then hunt them with his rifle. I was going through those emotions and seeing the same things. Hansen said that victim is the woman known to police as Eklutna Annie, a roughly 20-year-old brunette whose body was discovered in 1980 by electric workers repairing a power line outside Eagle River. CINDY: Nope. I think it will be a fun change of pace for me. FLOTHE: Thank you. Women were tortured, beaten and assaulted before being blindfolded, with their hands bound behind their backs and told to run. FLOTHE: Where were you going to meet him at Saturday? I was just I was hysterical and shocked, didnt know what to do, he was chasing after me with a gun. Sure, no problem, Im like, fine, no problem. Hey, no problem, you know. It left me wanting to watch it over and over again even though Im in it. CINDY: No. While there does not seem to be a singular traumatic event in Roberts childhood which we can pinpoint, it appears that hed had a really difficult time in most aspects of his life as a kid and even as an adult he just couldnt (or wouldnt) let it go. Your email address will not be published. FLOTHE: Did you give him the room number too? Cindy reveals that Hansen flashed some bills at her and that she was entranced by the thought of his money. Glenn Flothe, AST. Anchorage's jail is one of the state's only correctional facilities with a medical unit. Hansens Weapon Cache (courtesy Alaska State Troopers; found in the attic of Hansens residence; note the handgun at center left), Your email address will not be published. Hansen was convicted in 1984 after confessing to killing 17 women, mostly dancers and prostitutes, during a 12-year span in the 1970s and 80s. So in 1939 Robert was born in Estherville, Iowa to an immigrant father. There was also a collection of newspaper articles about the killer and his missing victims, and a map with little X marks all over it which indicated where hed dumped his victims. Youve taken on some very interesting, challenging roles lately in different genres like this film and also Gimme Shelter. She was a prostitute who was kidnapped and raped before managing to escape, but when she went to the police, Hansen evaded arrest because the lead investigator didn't . Way down on the floor. Did he give you a sense of what he wanted and then get out of the way and let you follow your instincts as an actor? He had been transferred to the hospital on Wednesday. CINDY: Number five. Required fields are marked *. CINDY: I believe it was on a Friday and I gave him my telephone number and he called me on a Saturday. (crying) FLOTHE: So, youre in the car and he pulls a gun out and he handcuffs you. I need a cheap laptop, microphones, etc. (laughs) Its a quick little cameo. Hansen grew up in Iowa, the son of immigrant bakers. The go-to source for comic book and superhero movie fans. Did he have a moustache, Cindy? She'd noticed women's clothes, toys, and dogs wandering around, according to. CINDY: The Buick car, inside the garage. Big ol like caribou and goats heads, big ones stuffed everywhere. Interesting stuff. And hes about five six, weighs about 170 pounds. When his wife, Darla Marie Henrichsen Hensen, and their children were home (they visited family in Arkansas quite often) its believed that Robert would simply skip taking his victim home altogether. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. CINDY: Uh huh. FLOTHE: Do you feel that he was going to hurt you? As you know, the only electronic I open is a crappy android. CINDY: Like a convertible (inaudible), 1978 Buick Century 4-Door Sedan (This photo is NOT Hansens Buick, but it is similar). Im sorry that these photos needed to be included, but we really cant discuss this particular serial killer without speaking of hunting. Despite his growing rap sheet, Hansen escaped notice when Anchorage women soon began to disappear. Let's get it straight: "My wife befriended Cindy for months at all hours of the night and morning without ever meeting her until two days before she was to testify against Hansen. CINDY: Um I think it was around six. CINDY: Regular Just working boots. CINDY: They look the same. Jack Halcombe (Nicolas Cage), who convinces her to help him bring Hansen to justice. Kidnapped: The True Story of Cindy Paulson, Murder in Alaska: Teen Killers In The 80s, Arrest of Robert Hansen: Nothing But the Truth, Sort Of, Darla Hansen: The Better Half of Robert Hansen, Hansen's Past Warranted Property Search - Butcher Baker, A Killer's Turning Point, Badly Missed - Butcher Baker. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. And he was very kind and giving as an actor, as well as John. CINDY: On the corner of Fourth and Denali. While she was in her element, developing regional client solutions with diversely talented teams, she realized that her clients and many colleagues did not know much about her personal life. CINDY: Um hmm Brown and Caldwells former Chief Technical Officer Cindy Paulson understands that for Balance and Belonging to thrive, employees need to be who they truly are. CINDY: Well, I didnt. They searched his plane, home and car and found he had some items, including jewelry, that had belonged to the women. I didnt know, there was, uh I I I couldnt see her that night cause it was during the week and Im running my bakery and I start there at 1:00 in the morning and, uh, she give me a phone number there for her at one of the motels. See if theres anyone in here that you might recognize. With his death, the full extent of Hansen's deeds, including the true number of his victims, the location of their bodies and the identities of all the women he kidnapped, raped and sometimes hunted like wild game before murdering might never be known. I said I could meet him at ten or else at eleven. ROBERT HANSEN (RH): Uh, you want me, Sir, to start when I first met this CINDY PAULSON the first time or, RH: or what? "In his mind there were good girls and bad girls.". Employee-owned firm continues pioneering legacy of technical excellence, innovation, and talent growth, Brown and Caldwell engineers share their inspirational stories. FLOTHE: At this time, so I know what youre talking about, cause I have not been in the house, Cindy Did you know the street name? FLOTHE: OK. Its been some time since you last talked to him, in fact, its been quite some time. The remains of an unidentified victim of an Alaskan serial killer who hunted down his victims as if they were game have been exhumed in a bid to establish who she was. The serial killer wasnt even on the suspect list anymore, hed been completely cleared. FLOTHE: When you got into the car, and you were giving him a head job, is that when he pulled out the gun? https://lelandhale.com/butcherbaker/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/cindy_interview_mofo.mp3, Murder in Alaska: Teen Killers In The 80s, Arrest of Robert Hansen: Nothing But the Truth, Sort Of, Darla Hansen: The Better Half of Robert Hansen, Hansen's Past Warranted Property Search - Butcher Baker, A Killer's Turning Point, Badly Missed - Butcher Baker. Required fields are marked *. What was your reaction when you first read the script? FLOTHE: Like this? Your email address will not be published. His alibi - two friends - also admitted they had been lying. FLOTHE: At what time did he call you on Saturday? You see, when we was driving I observed everything. Hudgens: Oh my gosh, Nic is the most professional actor Ive ever worked with and that I probably will ever work with. CINDY: He said that he would like to have some company. On his terms. And the reality of it is were all human. FLOTHE: Um hmm. CINDY PAWLCYN Award-winning chef, cookbook author and founder of a dozen restaurants, Cindy Pawlcyn reveals a few of her secrets to starting a successful bus. CINDY: Uh huh. Then they would meet. Together they entertained colleagues at their home. This led to her becoming known by many as 'Horseshoe Harriet' within the state's medical examiner's office. She gave me an extremely solid foundation and told me her earliest memories that she had until where she is to this day. Instead he would immediately force her to board his small bush plane, and hed fly her out to a desolate area near Knik River where he would sexually assault her in a little shack which hed occupied there. And, getting to that point, "it's so powerful," she says. Cause I still got marks from the handcuffs on my hands. What did you learn from them? I personally loved it. Its by far the craziest transformation Ive had yet. FLOTHE: OK. So, that was nice. In this installment, Cindy talks about being handcuffed by Robert Hansen at gunpoint and identifies his handgun. CINDY: I gave him the number at the Big Timber. If you do exactly what I tell you and don't give me any problem whatsoever, there's going to be no -- you won't get hurt in any way, shape or form," Hansen told troopers, according to news accounts at the time. CINDY: About ten minutes. This is Installment Four of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. FLOTHE: Two hundred dollars is a lot of money FLOTHE: Did he tell you what his name was? You can listen to the podcast of this interview here. FLOTHE: Turning the tape off at 8:34 pm. Four door. When she made the move to California in 2001, she became more open, sharing that she was happily married to a woman who also happened to be a great cook and winemaker. Mr Hoage said the woman was among cases of unidentified and missing people that were being reviewed by the center, with authorities receiving permission for the exhumation, the day before Hansen died. CINDY: About eleven, eleven-thirty. CINDY: The Buick Century. I know I have support from leadership and throughout, and thats a great feeling., As the executive sponsor of BCs employee network group for women, Cindy worked to amplify the Balance and Belonging culture and framework internally and externally across an industry with historical nature of the industry being male dominated. Others have never been found. Construction of the trans-Alaska oil pipeline ignited nightlife in the city blocks surrounding his bakery. Uh, the first time I seen CINDY PAULSON was about a block west of, I think its a 76 station on the corner there of Gambell and 5th. Im sorry I dont remember the right dates and so forth. As part of his plea deal, Hansen agreed to help authorities find the graves of the murdered women. The others were never located. FLOTHE: Wasnt painted. On the floor instead there was an airplane seat. "My gosh, she is running naked and in handcuffs on the streets of Anchorage scared to death," Rothschild recalled of the scene. In June 1983, one of his victims, Cindy Paulson, managed to escape his car as he loaded his plane to take her to his cabin. No problem. Couple find note in chimney that reveals their 290,000 house was 100 times cheaper 50 years ago. Hansen landed in a federal prison in Pennsylvania but didn't get along with other inmates.He served time in Minnesota before returning to Alaska in May 1988, corrections officials said at the time. And if Im not mistaken I think he had a green or a light t-shirt underneath it. Thats another character that I dove very deeply into. Being authentic creates the space for diversity of thought and means drawing on experiences that fall outside the box. CINDY: And then up here to where I was starting to get it off. I feel like women have an easier time separating from their characters than men do, honestly. The story of Hanson eluding police and his eventual capture became the subject of a 2013 movie, "Frozen Ground," starring John Cusack as the killer and Nicholas Cage as an Alaska state trooper. Then on the night, and when this I guess, really began, uh, I met her up town after, well, on the Saturday, CINDY:(Inaudible) gave the gentleman my telephone number and asked him to call me. One night she picked up a small, skinny client with a pock-marked face who wore glasses and spoke with a stutter. And he contacts you. Hansen later told investigators that his first kill involved a woman he assumed to be a topless dancer or prostitute. FLOTHE: If you can move your hand away from your face a little bit I want to make sure we get it on the tape recorder, OK? Today, my ideas as an individual come from confidence founded on who I really am, versus the persona. FLOTHE: You drove past the house? CINDY: Yeah. Thats what it takes for teams to bring their best selves to work every day.. Previously I would avoid the conversation about my significant other, she says. Glenn Flothe and his wife, Cheryl, after her successful kidney transplant in 2007 In the 1960s he moved to Anchorage and opened a bakery of his own in a strip mall at Ninth Avenue and Ingra Street. I actually shot that before I filmed this (The Frozen Ground) interestingly enough. CINDY: I could say the time but it may not be the correct one. 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